transcription of a television program produced by The John Ankerberg
Ankerberg: Welcome. We
are glad that you joined us tonight. We are talking about Islam and
Christianity. The topic tonight: Is Muhammad a true prophet of God? We
will begin with a five-minute presentation by one of the representatives
from each side. First we will hear Dr. Jamal Badawi talk about the
evidence concerning: Is Muhammad a true prophet of God?
Badawi: First of all,
five basic points about prophet-hood because it is related:
(1) God is one. He cares
for humanity and wishes good for them;
(2) Humanity is one. It
needs guidance and searches for meaning and direction in life;
(3) It follows that the
essential divine guidance is one in essence to attain peace through
submission to, obedience to, and love to God which is the literal
meaning of the term Islam which we believe has been the faith and
message of all the prophets of God throughout history—the greatest of
whom are Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad. May peace and
blessing be upon them all.
(4) Those messengers were
the best role models for mankind in faith, moral conduct and
leadership. It is an article of faith in Islam to believe in all of
them, to love them, and to respect them.
(5) All prophets were sent
to their people except for prophet Muhammad who is believed by Muslims
to be chosen by God to be sent to the entire mankind with a universal
message. His message is the culmination of the essence of all of the
Now, why do Muslims accept
prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, as the messenger of God? Eight
(1) He did claim this and
there is absolutely no reason to belie his claim since he was
acknowledged, even by his enemies, as a model of integrity and
truthfulness. His nickname was "the trustworthy".
(2) There is no ground to
dismiss his claim as religious visions or hallucination unless we
dismiss all other revelations and prophets.
(3) There is a clear
absence of any ulterior motive on his part, not like today’s prophets.
He lived in a greater poverty and suffering as it is out of fulfilling
his prophetic mission. The simplicity and austerity of his life
continued even after his victory over the pagan who sought to destroy
him and to destroy Islam. Until his death, he lived in that simple
(4) What he taught was
consistent, we insist, with the core of the message of all prophets
before him: to worship the one and only God of all and follow His
guidance in our lives. It is inconceivable to say that all Jewish
rabbis and prophets, one after the other, did not understand the
language and did not pick the idea of triune Godhood.
(5) His life was the
embodiment of his teaching and a comprehensive model for mankind under
all circumstances, peace and war, all circumstances and all [things]
needed for realistic human life on earth.
(6) His advent was
accompanied by numerous extraordinary signs, one of which is the 100%
accuracy of all prophecies that he made and the Qur’an which we will
discuss in a different topic later on.
(7) The fruits of following
him sincerely, not paying lip service like most Muslims do today,
includes the total positive transformation of the lives of individuals
and nations. One Jewish writer by the name of Hart said among the
hundreds of most influential personalities in human history, including
prophets, number one was prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him.
(8) Finally, according to
the Qur’an, the advent of his coming was prophesied in many
Scriptures, including the Bible. The Bible speaks quite clearly about
a prophet, a great one to come from the descent of Ishmael. The
promise of blessing is not only limited to Isaac, it is also the
descendants of Ishmael. The book of Deuteronomy Chapter 18 speaks
about a prophet like unto Moses, not the Son of God like unto Moses.
Deuteronomy 33 speaks about Moses, Jesus and Muhammad because it
speaks about Sinai, Seir, which is in Palestine and Paran which is,
according to Bible, in Chapter 21 of Genesis is Mecca. Even the name
Mecca or Becca, which is an alternative name, appeared in the 84th
Psalm of David. In the book of Isaiah, Chapter 21, verses 13-17 there
is an amazing description of the migration of the prophet Muhammad
from Mecca to Medina and it is connected with the tribe of Kadad which
is, according to the Bible, the descendants of Ishmael. John the
Baptist, when he came, was interviewed by the Jews as reported in the
gospel of John, Chapter 1, verses 19-27. And, it was quite clear that
the Jews, who expected three personalities, asked him, "Are you the
Christ?" He said, "No." "Are you Elijah?" He said, "No." And then they
ask a third person, "Are you that prophet?" And, again, he said, "No."
That prophet is none but the prophet like unto Moses with a complete
code of law. Thank you very much.
Ankerberg: Thank you. And
responding from the Christian side will be Dr. Anis Shorrosh. Let me
just say as we begin this portion that for both of our teams on the
platform that in Islam, as a Muslim, you are to be very honorable when
you talk about Jesus. So, to even disagree with a Christian, you have to
be very careful. I have told these men that they can have freedom, and
that we recognize when you question some of our beliefs, that is not
going to be taken by us to be a disrespect on your part. But, I hope
that will go the other way as well, that when we talk about our views
concerning Muhammad and the Qur’an and Allah and so on that the
questions that we would have, they are questions and they are to hold no
disrespect. But we do want to get to the truth question. So hopefully,
that will put a little oil on the water here as we start out. Anis, you
Dr. Anis Shorrosh: I
greet you in the name of Jesus, the man from my hometown, my Lord and
Savior. From Deuteronomy 18, verse 21 and 22, "And if you say in your
heart how shall we know the word which the Lord has not spoken? When a
prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the thing does not happen or
come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord has not spoken. The
prophet has spoken it presumptuously, you shall not be afraid of him."
Muhammad never gave a prophecy in terms of matching the prophets of the
Old Testament or even the apostles, or Jesus our Lord. The most damaging
thing about this whole matter is every Muslim everyday and anytime he
testifies: "I testify there is no God but Allah and Muhammad is his
prophet." In fact, we read in Sura 3:144 that Muhammad is but a
messenger, never is he a prophet. And a messenger like the apostles was
sent with a message, but not a prophet who talked to God and God talked
to him. He never states that. It was always the angel Gabriel. Something
else of interest; and that is: what did he do for 15 years before he
began to claim he saw these visions? And what new revelation did he give
us that we did not have before already seen and depicted elsewhere. As
for Moses, let me share with you what Peter declared on the day when he
was preaching in the city of Jerusalem in Chapter 3 of Acts, verse
22-23, "For Moses truly said to the fathers, ‘The Lord your God will
raise up for you a Prophet like me from your brethren. Him you shall
hear in all things, whatsoever He says to you. And it shall come to pass
that every soul who will not hear that prophet shall be utterly
destroyed from among the people.’ Yes, and all the prophets, from Samuel
and those who follow as many as have spoken have also foretold these
days. You are the sons of the prophets and of the covenant which God
made with our father saying to Abraham, ‘And in your seed all the
families of the earth shall be blessed." And this terminology, following
these statements, indicates that the prophet is indeed Jesus Christ and
Now, we come to a very
significant matter that is always brought up, and that is if one is
familiar with the term gospel according to the Qur’an he may wonder why
in the world the word is never proven. Every knowledgeable individual
knows that by the time Muhammad came the canon of the Bible was
established and the 66 books comprising it were a fact of life.
Therefore, we ask why did Muhammad speak of the gospels—Matthew, Mark,
Luke and John. Here is the astonishing discovery. Ladies and Gentlemen,
we discover that from historical documents that attest to the fact that
Wada Kavinova, the uncle of Muhammad’s first wife, Hadiza, had indeed
translated a so-called gospel of Matthew from Hebrew into Arabic. We
know that this particular gospel did not include the divinity of Jesus,
neither the trinity of God, because it was written by unbelieving Jews.
We have pieces and particles copied in the Qur’an and other contemporary
books which explain to you why Muhammad spoke only of the gospel of
Jesus rather than the gospel of Jesus reflecting the same idea because
it was written by unbelieving Jews that Jesus was the Son of God, there
was no trinity, and so forth. Unfortunately, this gospel is extinct, but
much like The Iliad or other documents we have sufficient verses
here and there to know such a book was in existence and came to
Muhammad’s attention while preparing the Qur’an over a period of 23
years, and 15 years before that in preparation before the writing came.
Ankerberg: Thank you very
much. My first question is going to be to Dr. Hussein Morsi. What you
said was that Muhammad was a prophet of God because he claimed to be. Do
we have anything besides Muhammad’s own word that he was a prophet? What
proof for a person that might be a skeptic?
hundreds of prophecies in the Qur’an, open prophecies that could have
went wrong, multiple prophecies that we can go through....
Ankerberg: Give us one.
Morsi: Just one...The
victory of the Romans over the Persians in a few years at the time when
the Roman Empire had been seized, more than a hundred years ago and
every indication was that it had been already destroyed. It is written
in the Qur’an that the Persians won over the Romans. And in a few years
the Romans would win against the Persians and it had been exactly six
Ankerberg: What Sura is
Morsi: 30, number 30.
Ankerberg: Read it for
Morsi: Well, I do
Badawi: The Romans had
been defeated in the lower part of the land and after they are defeated,
they will win again in a few years. In the Arabic language, few years
means something between three to nine. And the reason for not specifying
the exact date is that the military battle, as you know, can sometimes
begin with one particular move or at the final end. But it did happen
actually within that term and there is another prophecy in the same Sura
Morsi: Well, another
thing that Brother Anis chose to ignore—multiple physical miracles are
attributed to prophet Muhammad. However, the Muslims never make any big
deal about it. They do not go around saying prophet Muhammad did such
and such physical miracle because physical miracles become to be part of
history and some people would believe and some other people don’t
believe it. But the biggest miracle that prophet Muhammad did bring to
mankind and it contains a challenge to mankind to examine it—1,400 years
the Qur’an—it says if you are capable, or if any human person is capable
of coming up with something of similar material, they will never be able
to. Millions have tried; none succeeded. And it is a miracle, a living
miracle that the Christian can examine, and I invite all of you and the
audience and the viewers to examine it for yourself and judge for
yourself, you will find it the biggest miracle that ever came to
Ankerberg: Let me ask you
this: Does not the Qur’an say about Muhammad that he did no miracles
seven different times?
Badawi: Yes, there were
differences in the Qur’an to miracles. For example, in Sura 9 about
divine intervention in battle, there several are mentioned and testified
to in the Qur’an. Yet, some people misunderstood some statements in the
Ankerberg: What do you do
about the statements where it actually says he did no miracles?
Morsi: No, no. I didn’t
say that. I didn’t say he did not do miracles.
Ankerberg: I’m saying the
Qur’an says that, so I’m saying if you have the Qur’an saying that he
did no miracles, don’t you have a contradiction when the Qur’an......
Badawi: The Qur’an never
said that prophet Muhammad didn’t do miracles. What the Qur’an said is
that they say some of the unbelievers came to him, just like the Jews
came to challenge Jesus, peace be upon him. They said, "We will not
believe unto you until you make the earth bring springs, until the
mountains are moved." And then it says, "Tell them, glory be to Allah, I
am only a human messenger." And there have been instances when Jesus did
not respond to any demand for miracles like push button, but it did not
negate that he had miracles. It simply said that those people even if
you give miracles, they will not listen.
Ankerberg: Does the
Qur’an, yes or no, say that Muhammad did no miracles?
Morsi: No where does it
say that. No where.
Shorrosh: No where does
it say that he performed any miracle. In fact, he told them that he was
sent as a warner, as an apostle, as a messenger. But he never says that
he was able to perform any miracles. That’s why the Jews rejected him
when in the beginning they welcomed him into Medina which was controlled
by the Jews and where he was a good friend with them and later turned
against them because they would not accept him....
Ankerberg: In your talk,
you mentioned the fact that Muhammad was predicted in the Bible to come.
And, in your writings you have talked about the fact that he is the one
that Jesus talked about when He said He would send the Paraclete, the
Comforter. Now, you quote John 14 so that must be one of those that’s an
accurate verse that has come down to us. Is that correct?
Ankerberg: Let’s read the
verse then. Jesus says, "The counselor, the Holy Spirit whom the Father
will send in my name, will teach you all things." Now, you are saying
that’s Muhammad. But Jesus goes on and says, "And he will remind you,"
that’s the apostles, "of everything I have said to you." So, the
question is: How could, if that’s Muhammad, did Muhammad tell the
disciples 600 years before that time?
Morsi: I think you have
to go back a little bit to chapter 16 also in which he said, "how be it
when he the spirit of truth is to come, he will lead you to all truth
for he shall not speak of himself, but whatever God will teach him he
will teach you." Then, how can God teach the Holy Spirit if the Holy
Spirit is God?
Ankerberg: What I’m
asking you, Hussein, is the fact is Jesus said that the Holy Spirit
would come and remind the apostles. Are you saying that Muhammad was
Badawi: The address that
is given to the prophet is meant to address all others just like Jesus
was addressing his contemporaries and he says, "You will see the Son of
Man coming in the clouds" does not necessarily mean those people in
front of him; it could mean also generations. And prophet Muhammad,
indeed, reminded the followers of Jesus who were living in his time that
this was the true teaching of Jesus and the Qur’an documented the fact
that many of them had tears flowing from their eyes when the prophet
recited the truth about Jesus to them.
Ankerberg: Let me get the
linguist on the board here. Does Paraclete mean all of those things in
means one who is called along side to help.
Morsi: He was a helper
Archer: Yet, the point is
very clear in verse 26—that whoever it is is going to help the then
living apostles who are sitting before Jesus and who are going to have
the responsibility of recording the New Testament that he will bring to
their recollection what Jesus has said. Now, that could not refer to
something that happened in the 7th century A.D.
Morsi: Let me remind you
one thing about one thing, Dr. Archer. Jesus said, "I must go in order
for the comforter to come." All of us know that the Holy Spirit was
present before Jesus, during the time of Jesus, and after Jesus.
Morsi: So, Jesus made it
conditional that, "I must go in order for the Comforter to come,"
another comforter just like Himself, another prophet to come.
Shorrosh: Not prophet.
Morsi: After Jesus, peace
be upon Him, not one single prophet that came with the revelation other
than Muhammad. No revelation that came by the Qur’an.
Ankerberg: Hussein, we
have got one minute left. Shorrosh, you have got just one minute. That’s
Shorrosh: Okay. Here it
is. The Paracleton’s work was not to gather armies and gain victories
with earthly weapons, but to convict men of sin of righteousness, and
judgment and that’s what happened on the day of Pentecost. That’s why
3,000 were saved instead of people being killed. His teaching was to
glorify, not himself, but Christ and do the work Christ sent him to do
according to John 16.
Badawi: If it was true
that the Holy Spirit resolved all problems and gave all information on
the day of the pentecost, why is it that the disciples were still
differing about who Jesus is and until now we have thousands of
Ankerberg: Do we have
thousands of denominations differing about Jesus?
Shorrosh: We have also
150 denominations among the Muslims.