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What Is a Christian’s Responsibility in the Ballot Box?

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How should a Christian respond when in doubt about either candidate?  Janet Parshall explains.

Ankerberg:  Janet, this is a concern I think we hear it a lot news commentators, political analysts, magazines and so on, and it goes like this: A lot of Christians say I don’t like either presidential candidate so I may sit this one out and not vote at all. And when Christians don’t vote, there are some consequences, but I don’t think a lot of folks realize what those consequences are. Let’s talk about, what are the consequences if the folks that are listening to us right now don’t show up and vote.

Janet Parshall:  Well, let’s start with the plumb line of truth. Scripture says if you know the right thing to do and you don’t do it, it’s a sin. It calls us to influence and occupy until He comes. So in this American government, the government that we’re privileged to live in, how do we influence? Well, we do it through the ballot box. Now, in the primary session, maybe we have the luxury of saying “that’s my absolute favorite candidate.” But by the time it’s all said and done, you get down to two. Now, though someday will come when maybe we’ll have a viable third party candidate, but for the time being, it’s predominantly a two person race. So when you get to that election you have to stop and say, what is their worldview? Because when we sit it out what we’re saying in essence is our vote doesn’t count, we don’t care to influence and occupy. The other person takes preeminence, and the other person de facto actually gets the vote. So that’s a problem.

The second thing is that, look, sometimes if, particularly if you go back and you read 1 and 2 Kings, if you see what happened in Chronicles, sometimes you don’t get the luxury of saying, “I am wild, madly, deeply supportive of that candidate.” What you have to do is kick in that discernment that we’re called to use. The Bible says that if we ask for wisdom, we will get it liberally, the perfect use of that word, by the way. And what we need to do is to say, “Father, give us the discernment to really be able to hear not just what’s being talked out on the campaign trail. But let me look at the record. Let me see whether or not the walk and the talk match. And then what we do is prayerfully and carefully step into the booth and say, first and foremost, “God, how do I honor You?” This isn’t about saying what’s in it for me. If we go in saying I want you to lower my taxes, I want you to lower the price of gas, I want you to put a chicken in every pot, then what we’re doing is self-centeredly saying this is about me, when in fact what we’re supposed to do is go back to what the biblical mandate for government is, which is to facilitate good, keep back evil, work for the common welfare. And look for the candidate that will most uphold those standards of righteousness for one simple reason, John; when the righteous rule the people rejoice, when the wicked rule, the people groan.

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Martin

Sabra, You seem like a sincere Christian but there are some fallacies in your voluminous presentation that I must point out. You spend a lot of time highlighting Trump’s flaws (and I don’t defend his indiscretions) but say little about Clinton. I assume from what you are saying that Clinton’s flaws are too obvious to mention since I don’t think you are saying that Clinton is a better choice for president. I hope you don’t consider her to be a more Christian candidate than Trump. Since your candidate is out of the race (a more Christian candidate, I agree), I… Read more »

Sabra
Sabra

Martin: I would have liked to write a list and highlighted all of H. Clinton’s flaws and iniquities, but my post would have extended the “voluminous” measure that I’m not sure you appreciate. If you would have noticed in the latter part of my writing (in Deduction 3), I stated I was NOT “suggesting a vote for Hillary.” However, my post was in response to all the other posts in this social community who seem to reject Clinton. I suppose I was preaching to the choir. Why and how do you conclude that I would consider her a more Christian… Read more »

Martin

Sabra Obviously you disagree with me on certain issues and I want to commend you for maintaining a fairly civil tone. I also appreciate the less voluminous reply. I think we can resolve our differences and dwell in unity if you vote for Pence and I vote for both him and Trump. It seems that Pence would be a good backup if Trump can’t handle the job. My loyalty is also to God alone. I don’t particularly like Trump, and I certainly don’t see him as a savior. I know what he says and what his positions are.I am not… Read more »

Sabra
Sabra

Martin: It is frightening and not reassuring when you say that Pence would be a good backup if Trump can’t handle the job. Why are we, as Americans, “hiring” someone (Trump) for this job if we think he can’t handle it? Nebuchadnezzar came to the Lord only after the man experienced some severe brokenness. Are we willing to observe the President become humbled after severe trials of brokenness which would affect all of us? Of course it is a soul tie. If you vote for a politician that supports abortion, would not your hands be stained with blood too? You… Read more »

Martin

I only brought up the back-up idea because you expressed the concern that Trump couldn’t handle the job. Yes, I am willing to observe Trump become humbled by God because if this nation isn’t humbled by God and doesn’t turn from it’s evil ways, it will be destroyed. First of all, the term soul tie is not in the Bible, so let’s be cautious about how much power or importance we attribute to it, but people who use the term usually understand it to mean a deep connection formed with another person which may allow some effect to be exerted… Read more »

Sabra
Sabra

I never said Gov. Pence would be a “back-up” in case Trump could not handle the job. You are getting the wrong impression and creating conjectures of my statements. The only way Pence would be a “back-up” is if something serious happened to Trump and I don’t wish any ill-will or something serious to happen to him. We would just hope Pence would have a good influence on him, but there is no guarantee Trump will listen considering his spirit. Trump is best served to the American people when he is humbled from the beginning or before a Presidency, not… Read more »

Martin

Sabra, Please read carefully what I am saying and we may not run out of space. “I only brought up the back-up idea because you expressed the concern that Trump couldn’t handle the job.” Whenever God chooses to humble Trump is fine with me. I gave one example of a soul tie but did not imply that it the only one. Just because I don’t believe there is biblical support for the notion that voting for someone creates a soul tie with them does not mean that I think anyone’s vote is unimportant or has no power, otherwise I would… Read more »

Shelly
Shelly

“I repeat, the reason why Christians are having a hard time with Trump is that he is not coherent in his ideology and his beliefs.” I am a Christian, and I don’t have a hard time with Trump. I say this out of a place of love…you really aren’t able to speak for all Christians. You also mentioned above that he is not coherent with his beliefs and ideology. The man is not perfect, he professed on television that he is a Christian. Also I say unto you, Whosoever shall confess me before men, him shall the Son of man… Read more »

Sabra
Sabra

Christian Americans Still Have a Choice Christians may be thinking that we are left with no choice in this election. We still have a choice – God’s choice. “Seek first the Kingdom of God and His righteousness and all these things will be added unto you.” Matt. 6:3 We should NOT “seek first” a political party to solve the ills of our country, instead we trust in Him. After many months debating in Christian social media (CBN News/Politics – warning: atheists have infiltrated the media), I have reached to several reasonable deductions and words of wisdom for all Christians to… Read more »

Sabra
Sabra

Just wanted to add that the other third parties that seem to reflect Christian and conservative values are the Independent American Party, America’s Party (offshoot of Constitution Party) and Christian Liberty Party. We still have to study these parties to even consider them. (As I understand, recently, Darrell Castle had made some negative remarks towards Ted Cruz.) Other third parties besides these in the U.S. are too liberal to consider.

Martin

It is true that neither candidate is a good example of Christian virtue. But there is one issue which should help every Christian decide how to vote. Stop worrying about what man wants and what man thinks and start worrying about what God cares about. God is grieved, sickened, and angry about the slaughter of over 50 million innocent lives, sacrificed on idolatrous altars. Read the Bible. This brings severe judgment on nations. How are we any better than than the Germans of Hitler’s day who stood by silently as millions were murdered? If this thinking sounds strange to you,… Read more »

Cyndi

HRC has pledged to overturn the Hyde Amendment. If that happens our tax dollars will then pay for abortions. Even tho we have not been a fan of Donald Trump, it seems like an easy choice to me.

Barry Atwell

How do you reconcile this with I Corinthians 5:11 when both candidates claim to be Christian but both are guilty of the things listed in the passage without repentance and in some cases brag about it?

Bill
Bill

The key word is “claim.” One can “claim” to be a Christian but that in of itself does not mean that person is a Christian. We then must test them to discern which is Christain.

Works Based on Faith
Works Based on Faith

Okay, may neither candidate fits to mold of a Christian conservative – I understand. But that does not mean we do not vote. Vote for freedom’s best candidate to give leadership from in front. As far as a third party . . . that concept cannot start at the top. The conservative Christian values must from the community level ! ! Vote school board, county supervisor/administrator, State House of Representatives and then Congressman. Senatorial candidates and Presidential candidates are not the place birth a third party conservative system based on Christian values. To repeat, start with your local school board… Read more »

Leo LeVon
Leo LeVon

Does God really want us as Christians to vote even if both candidates openly dishonor and disobey Him? If as Christians our first priority is: “God, how do I honor You?”, then how can a follower of Christ claim they are honoring God by voting for either two current nominees (Trump or Clinton)? I can’t find any scriptural evidence that supports or qualifies them. Can you? Along with our presiding President, shouldn’t we as Christians (the church) be taking a stand, and speaking out against the immoral, evil, values they stand for, and not compromise God’s standards, just for the… Read more »

K Brown
K Brown

As the lady said, we are called to influence and occupy. Thousands of people throughout history have lived Christian lives under governments that do not honor God. You vote for the person that as far as you can tell gives you the most freedom to practice your religion and values. Governments that expect you to rely on them and that take away your freedom to choose for yourself are dangerous. Big government – no freedom. PRAY, PRAY, PRAY. Never cease praying. Do your part and trust God with the results. Abstain from judging others – God is infinitely more qualified… Read more »

East Pete
East Pete

Well stated… choosing between two evils is not necessarily very good discernment… if seeking God’s voice leads you to stand against both alternatives, that should be your course of action. Merely because you live in an environment or a political system that may offer only ungodly choices, ours fortunately permits rejecting such – in this case, e.g. a ‘WRITE-IN’. And, though losing, can make a statement of conscience… People of Faith must never acquiesce or be complicit while in this world if they can stand in light even if it seems to bring repercussion from this dark fallen realm. STAND… Read more »

Martin

Our calling is not merely to make a statement of conscience but to carry out the will of God in the world. Thou shalt not murder is one of God’s primary commandments. He expects us to do our part to follow it and encourage others to do the same. We can do that in a free and democratic society with our vote for pro-life candidates. Stand firm on the ground God gave you and do not acquiesce or be complicit with the evil forces of this dark realm. The unborn have as much right to life as you do. Stand… Read more »

Lianne
Lianne

Trump is a family man with beautiful children with class & good hearts. Trump gives thousands, actually millions to charity!! I don’t see Clinton doing anything that doesn’t help her!! She is evil, my gut & Christian values point to Trump who wants to help people with lowering taxes, protecting American citizens. He can send our country into healing mode not further devastation with the Clintons who have lied & been in scandals for 25 yrs. what kind of woman says an unborn 8 month baby doesn’t have constitutional rights so can be aborted! She supports Planned Parenthpod! I think… Read more »

Barry
Barry

.So you will let ‘clinton’, a pro murderer of babies, anti-Christian religious freedom, help ‘muslims’ build mosque’s everywhere, helped terrorists murder 4 Americans in Bengazi and LIED to the American people and the F B I. She will end America. We are not in Bible prophecy in the last days, but I feel you are helping ‘satan’ win more souls with this attitude

Sabra
Sabra

Barry: Do you mean final Tribulation Revelation judgments? Even though we don’t know the day or hour, Jesus made it clear, we would know that His return is at the door by acknowledging the signs.

Barry Atwell

I am totally in agreement with you, Leo. That passage disqualifies both of them for our support and so does I Corinthians 5:11 since they both claim to be Christians.

As Christians, we have no mandate from God to promote evil. This election, there will be an evil person that wins but they need to win without our help.

Martin

Refusing to vote is an abdication of Christian responsibility, since we are refraining from the opportunity to do good. In fact it is a sin to abstain from doing what is good when it is in our power to do it. Our goal therefore as Christians, as difficult as it might be, is to discover which candidate is likely to do the most good. We may need to learn to ask the right questions, for example, which candidate is most likely to maintain the conditions of freedom under which we can most easily practice our faith and promulgate the Gospel?… Read more »

Shelly
Shelly

Why especially Trump? Though shall not kill. Do you be!lieve abortion is murder? If so, I would think I would stand with the candidate who stands behind ending it. Slanderous- If you watched the Republican Convention you surely remember the mother whose son died in Benghazi, the one Hillary called a liar? The one Hillary lied to? Her cal!ous attitude saying several times “what difference does it make” in the most hateful tone. There is a scripture that tells us to do everything decently and in order and I don’t think the emails from was doing everythjing decently and in… Read more »

Cyndi

HRC has pledged to overturn the Hyde Amendment. If that happens our tax dollars will then pay for abortions. Even tho we have not been a fan of Donald Trump, it seems like an easy choice to me.

Perplexed Voter!
Perplexed Voter!

Mr. Ankerberg thank you for posting this for our viewing. I heard what Janet said and based on her own information, there is no one suitable to vote for. Thanks for making that clear.

Nancy T
Nancy T

Thank you, Pastor Ankerberg, for inspiring your Christian audience to “think” on this subject and then air our feelings. Far too many men and women of “the cloth” are hiding under a rock when it comes to taking a stand on critical issues of the day. PC is not Christian. And today, more than ever before, it is absolutely essential that our leaders – those whose judgment and opinions we trust and place our faith in – must stand up before “standing up” becomes illegal. Watching our country circle the drain is agonizingly painful, and those of us who feel… Read more »

Nancy T
Nancy T

It was during the Johnson administration that it was mandated that non-profits could not become involved in political candidates’ elections. Johnson had feared some of his immoral acts would become evident through the pulpit in Texas – and that was the purpose of ill-conceived actions. Trump has promised to eliminate it and bring the religious community back into the light of truth. Far too many in the pulpit today are weak and spineless. Shepherds they are not. We need solid leaders at every level within America’s system of governance.

Dorothy Dewitt
Dorothy Dewitt

I am taking the Bible study, “The Gospel of John ” through Dallas Seminary. I just learned that, even through Ciaphas , God enacted His plan for our redemption. So, I strongly suggest to do all that you stated in the above article, BUT, to not only have faith in OUR PESONNAL decisions, BUT honor Our God by having undying FAITH in HIM and the God given gift of freedom He has given us to be able to cast that vote. Voting for NO ONE, might be liken to rejecting this gift. I know, this is a difficult decision, which… Read more »

Barry Atwell

To say that God can use the ultimate winner of the election to further his plan so we should support one of the candidates regardless of how bad both candidates are from a Christian perspective is like saying Judas did the right thing because God used it to further his plan. Jesus sure did not say Judas did the right thing. Based on I Corinthians 5:11 since both candidates claim to be Christian and the fact that both have lives that are currently characterized by one or more of the things listed, Christians have no business getting mixed up with… Read more »

Stephanie
Stephanie

Extremely sound words, Barry. Ultimately we are called to make the righteous decision and trust in God to work through His own timing. Our ways are not His. It seems that fear of the consequences of “Hillary” decisions outweighs the fact that God is THE judge, and with either candidate, this sin of this nation WILL be judged. I will stand with God’s clear and non polluted, non politicized Word.

Larry

I totally disagree that we, not from this world, but belonging to another Kingdom, influence through the ballot box. Our influence is to be through our lives and witness to this foreign land, where we are not worldlings, but aliens and strangers. Looking at “viable options,” is a very human process. It’s how the world thinks. We are not to act like mere humans as Paul says. (1 Corinthians 3:3) I will honor God myself, by not voting.

Jerry Putnal

So sad that you feel that way. Ask Jesus about it.

Linda
Linda

Not voting does not honorary God. The church should be united in love and mercy for others who can be affected by a no vote. When one of us loses our freedom and privilege to worship in a gathering place, we are all affected and we could potentially lose that freedom of religious activity by our own pride and self righteous decisions that can be a consequence of our actions. Please consider all of us as a unit. Honor God by living a peaceful life submitting to authority. Look at Daniel. He did that. Let God be in control. It… Read more »

Lianne
Lianne

I totally agree! Trump & Pence could send us to solidarity., unity, & give us hope back that we haven’t had with the present administration!! I think that the VP is a Christian & Trump has great family values, helps all sorts of charities & people is the sign God is sending to us! People don’t screw it up! The Clintons dance with the devil!!!

Nancy
Nancy

I vote pro life & pro family period. Nothing is more important than a precious human being!

Scotbotmosh

I agree and have voted the same way in the past. Unfortunately I don’t trust Mr. T’s word, or conviction, much less understanding of the foundation of the pro-life view point.

desert

Do you trust the hilldabeast?…REALLY?

Jerry Putnal

So sad you feel that way , ask Jesus about it.

Nancy T
Nancy T

So you do then, of course, “trust” Hillary Clinton when she says she is pro abortion. Your choice then is to either vote for the pro abortion baby killer or to put your little bitty trust in Mr. Trump. There is no third choice. Clinton or Trump. Make a choice – a prolife choice. And if you don’t, you will join the rest of the hard-headed morons who will participate in bringing four more years of an Obama agenda – this time on steroids.

Rebecca
Rebecca

So now we are morons? It’s interesting how it takes so little time for his followers to start talking smack and name calling people who disagree with them.
Many of us feel the Lord is directing us-who are you to say otherwise?

annabelle ladd
annabelle ladd

Trump is also pro abortion until last year when he decided he is not. Do we have to abandon our belief/our faith and choose the lesser of the 2? And if they are not the kind of leader my Bible describes, why in this temporary world do i have to cast my vote for one? Nowhere in the Bible (correct me if i’m wrong) did it say “VOTE because that is my gift to you” God promise to heal our land if we humble ourselves and turn from our wicked ways. God give the Jews Saul because they asked for… Read more »

Barry Atwell

Annabelle, I agree and my conscience tells me I should not get mixed up with either of these two. I Corinthians 5:11.

Carol
Carol

And all that’s needed for evil to triumph is for good men (and women) to sit around and do nothing

Martin
Martin

Trump repented of his support for murdering babies. Are you unhappy about that? Do not despise your gift of voting. God expects you to do your part to save America. Do you ask God to put out a fire or do you pour water on it? Do not count on God saving America if we persist in permitting evil practices to prevail.

Sabra
Sabra

Is this a Christian attitude towards loving others? Calling those who disagree “morons”?

Stephanie
Stephanie

Sabra, I hear fear in Nancy’s is response – fear based, not faith based. This sums up the entire issue. It is compulsion (to act as man, out of worldy wisdom) which is not of God.

K Brown
K Brown

Don’t trust Trump. Trust God to do his work in him. Pray. It sounds to me that pastors are weak and people don’t trust prayer as a powerful weapon. Meaning we are weak too and allowing Satan to take control. Prayer is powerful use it. Have you never heard it said that we are to pray for our elected officials. We are not hopeless until we give up and give Satan free rule. No way!!! David faced Goliath with a sling shot. He trusted God. Then God took care of the details. Oh yes of little faith!!!

Barry Atwell

Just because God might use Trump does not validate voting for him. God could also use Hillary. I believe that I Corinthians 5:11 is quite clear. Both candidates claim to be Christian and both live lives currently characterized by one or more of the things mentioned in this verse. Based on that, Christians have no business getting mixed up with either of them.

To say that God could use them so it is justified is like supporting what Judas did. God certainly used it, but Jesus still said some pretty harsh things about it.

Cindy Whitehead
Cindy Whitehead

AMEN Nancy! There is nothing more important than the Precious Gift of Life! Pro Choice should be Outlawed! God knew you before you were formed in your Mother’s womb. I believe that a child should have a chance of a LIFE sentence. Not a DEATH sentence by abortion!!! Abortion is Murder!

gcj

Janet Parshall’s logic is flawed. She essentially says that Christians must vote for one of the two candidates because at this time, we don’t have a viable third party or third-party candidate. Well then, how is a third party or a third-party candidate ever going to become viable? Answer: By godly people supporting such a party and candidate! Therefore, I say that the Christian has EVERY right to not cast a vote for one of the two prevailing candidates and instead vote for a third-party candidate (or even write a candidate’s name in on the ballot). Right now, the two… Read more »

khill2662
khill2662

How is a third party or a third-party candidate ever going to become viable when you’re living under Sharia Law?

Scotbotmosh

This is flawed logic by always reverting to threats of Islamic terror. You are using threats of Islamic terror to force a vote for poor candidate.

khill2662
khill2662

Force? I can’t force you to vote. Are you logical? Vote, don’t vote, impress yourself with your imagined brilliance and your self righteousness if you like. Live with the consequences of your choices.

desert

The final domino in the collapse of nations is ‘APATHY”…and that is the cause of Christians not voting….that and too lazy to catch their own breath!!!

East Pete
East Pete

Opposition to evil if it comes in the form of NOT voting for it it is NOT ‘apathy’. It may more be that ‘apathy’ is giving it further support.

Jerry Putnal

So sad you feel that way. Read your Bible and ask Jesus about it.

gcj

Jerry–Really? How do you know that I haven’t read my Bible and talked to Jesus?? Would you care to hear a Bible passage that supports what I have written? If so, here you go! “Accept the one whose faith is weak, without quarreling over disputable matters. One person’s faith allows them to eat anything, but another, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. The one who eats everything must not treat with contempt the one who does not, and the one who does not eat everything must not judge the one who does, for God has accepted them. Who are… Read more »

John Moses
John Moses

Sir, this is note about meat. Weak or Strong conscience u’ll have C or T at the end of the day, then u’ll be left with your conscience and the consequence I hope u wont complaint then

gcj

I know it’s not about meat. If you don’t agree that the Scripture passage I quoted applies to this situation, fine. Then let me ask you this: On what grounds can you possibly tell a Christian, who according to his or her conscience, refuses to vote for “C or T” but instead finds a godly, viable third-party candidate and votes for him (to make a prophetic statement against the ills in our political system) that he or she is doing wrong? If the two main candidates were Stalin and Mussolini, each representing the two major parties, and a Christian decided… Read more »

Lianne
Lianne

Well u just showed your truth listening to selfish Ted Cruz! He is a fake hypocritical Christian! I felt that from the beginning not even knowing anything about him!! He sold out to the establishment & did that hoping he could run for president in 4 yrs! He just threw his career in the trash! I again KNOW as a born again Christian that there is No way Killary would be Jesus’s choice. A 3rd party person will only take away votes from the right person & then the establishment has their excuse to fraudulently say Killary won! Don’t fall… Read more »

gcj

Uh…really Lianne? Listen to Ted Cruz’s quote: “Vote your conscience; vote for candidates up and down the ticket who you trust to defend our freedom and to be faithful to the Constitution.” So what Cruz said that? If John Ankerberg or Donald Trump would have said it, would you disagree? If I were a betting man, I’d bet no! By the way, who’s quarreling now? Hmm???

Sabra
Sabra

Lianne: How can you judge someone not even knowing anything about him!? Let’s not forget that Trump asked Cruz to speak. Trump didn’t have to ask him and Cruz didn’t have to do it. Cruz showed the most courage.

Lianne
Lianne

Wow! Who is acting holier than thou??!! Stop quoting scriptures, every person interprets passages the way they want to see it. I really don’t think people are really thinking how not voting could destroy this country & keep us on the road to Sharia Law!! For Gosh sakes quit quarreling & open your eyes! Help our country!!

gcj

Lianne–why do you object to the quoting of Scriptures? By the way, I am NOT advocating people not vote. Read my original post above the one you replied to. I am saying that if a Christian cannot, in good conscience, vote for either of the two major-party candidates, he or she is free to vote, according to his or her conscience for a third-party candidate. How is an opinion like that, backed by Scripture (admittedly, colored by my interpretation) acting “holier than thou?” That makes no sense.

Sabra
Sabra

Lianne: The Lord’s teachings were designed to be interpreted by His Holy Spirit and only by His Spirit is there truth. A lying spirit is the one that would distort and pervert scripture. Make sure you are not making an excuse to research scripture yourself.

Cindy Whitehead
Cindy Whitehead

I agree with Jerry Putnal!!!Ask our Lord & Savior through the power of The Holy Spirit what to do & who to vote for in November! He will give you the Peace that you are looking for. May God be with you!

Perplexed Voter!
Perplexed Voter!

I was excited to have this topic in my inbox, but discouraged as I listened to Janet and didn’t get any more than what I already have. I am praying, I am looking at each candidate and I don’t see anyway I, as a born again believer can vote for either. I don’t NOT want to vote and I don’t see how not having a good option makes me the loser. We’re already losing with the choices that are before us. I’m sorry…nothing of spiritual depth that gives any more wisdom to our current presidential chaos. If anything this is… Read more »

Lianne
Lianne

I am a born again believer & I know without a doubt Trump is the choice!! I see true evil with Clintons! I See hope with Trump & Pence! Both great family men! Have any of you thought about praying for God to work His miracles thru these 2 men! He can move Mountains!! If u don’t vote for them u r taking away votes & essentially handing it to the evil side!! Wow! I really think people are not trusting God to do His work bc people don’t like Trumps personality! Open your eyes! This country needs those 2… Read more »

Sabra
Sabra

gcp: Very good comment. The third party that resembles most to Judeo-Christian values is the National Constitution Party. There is also the Christian Liberty Party that seems good too.

Martin

No, gcj, not only is your logic flawed but it is dangerous as well. The undeniable logic is that either Trump or Clinton, (unless there is some miraculous intervention) will be elected president in the fall. A third party candidate at this point has 0% chance of winning. Read my argument above but the essence is that a moral person who votes for a third party candidate is essentially voting for Clinton who espouses immoral values like abortion and threatens our freedoms. Romans 12 says, “Be not overcome with evil, but overcome evil with good.” Evil has made great gains… Read more »

Scotbotmosh

What do you do when one candidate doesn’t care about God, and the other candidate can’t be trusted to not only follow through on what he says he believes, but also continually, unrepentantly, and publicly acts in a manor that shows contempt for people made in the image of God. And what about the fact that the candidate is constitutionally illiterate as well?

I don’t want to bypass voting in this election, but by my conscience I can’t seem to get to the point of voting for either.

khill2662
khill2662

Your country is being destroyed from within as if by termites. Have you considered how disturbed your family, friends, and your conscience will be once told to worship Allah or die? Why not exercise your right to vote while you still have it?

Scotbotmosh

Exercise to my right to vote for more termites? Issues are larger than just Muslim immigration. It’s the moral fabric at it’s core, not to mention voting for someone (either side) that can’t read or interpret the constitution.

khill2662
khill2662

So, you don’t like Trump and therefore Trump can’t read. Now that’s logical isn’t it?

desert

It is obvious to me that this scotbotmosh is a died in the wool clinton worshipper! You will pay dearly for your foolishness!!

Scotbotmosh

Desert, wow..is this how you treat other believers? I already stated I am having a hard time being convinced of voting for either candidate (much less Hillary). If this is the logic we use and the way we treat other believers, we have a lot more to figure out before we attempt to influence anyone else.

Perplexed Voter!
Perplexed Voter!

I am very concerned how those of us who profess to know Jesus is allowing the enemy to divide us. As Scotbotmosh has referenced, we have much more waiting for us in eternity than here on earth. We should not be arguing and complaining with each other, but seeking to unite on the truth we know. Jesus is the same yesterday and always. He raises up kings and leaders. All through Scripture we see leaders who “knew not the Lord God” and the results of that leader. We are each accountable to God and it is him whom we will… Read more »

Scotbotmosh

My point was he can’t logically read the constitution.

Lianne
Lianne

Yes he can!! That is an illogical statement! Of course he can! Listening to the liberal controlled media again! I think it would be safe to say that Killary doesn’t feel the need to follow the laws & has been found to be very careless with Clasified information! Not to mention her pathological lying!! Last year she said she stood for marriage between & man & woman, now that’s changed to get the Gay, lesbian votes! The same reason they want all the refugees to come in & they will give them more than they do our vets so they… Read more »

khill2662
khill2662

Did you really believe for one second that I was speaking only of Muslim’s immigrating? Larger issues indeed! Please wake up!

khill2662
khill2662

Muslims are here. Lots of them are here. They are and have been working overtime to change our laws, etc. They sincerely believe they have a better way. Look into it. I looked into it and and I don’t like what they have in mind for Christians and other infidels. What they have in mind isn’t very “pro life.”

Scotbotmosh

Yes, as that has been the exact point of just about all of your posts. I have looked into it and understand it very well, however there are many other facets of this decision than just what you have provided here. I think we are in agreement over the weight of this decision. Although, sounds like we disagree on the next steps. However as I assume you are a believer as well I know there is something greater in store for us than this country, or even this world. I also agree that we aren’t called to sit on the… Read more »

Lianne
Lianne

Very well said Scotbotmosh!!

Lianne
Lianne

Exactly khill2662!!

desert

By what crystal ball do you obtain your information? Who says Trump doesn’t care about God? What I just heard from Franklin Graham is that Trump accepted Jesus just days ago, if not a few weeks!!

Scotbotmosh

I don’t have a crystal ball, and that portion of the comment was aimed at Hillary. However regarding Trump’s conversion, my wisdom is a bit skeptical of his conversion just as he is up for GOP nomination for the most powerful seat in the world. There is also his past track record to consider. If he really did convert that is great, however I need more than a few weeks to trust this man given his past track record.

K Brown
K Brown

Once again. Pray for the man. Pray that his conversion is real or at the very least, pray that God will do a mighty work in him. You are not in control – God is. I can’t stress enough how powerful a weapon that prayer is. My God is almighty. As Christians it is our duty to live our Christian lives as an example to others. To be the light and salt of the earth. To pray unceasingly for our government and in every situation. After all we are in the mess we are in because we Christian failed to… Read more »

Lianne
Lianne

God tells us to not look at the past; to Trust Him & look to the future. Very Wise!

Sabra
Sabra

Certain Christian leaders were trying to convince themselves that Trump came to the Lord. I sense a lot of anxiety in people. Jesus said DO NOT FEAR. Let the Holy Spirit show you Trump’s spirit and discern he is not born again — yet.

John Moses
John Moses

Friends u must all acknowledge that yours candidates are your products and your overwhelming choice. All u need in the States is Spiritual revival. U need God most and must vote he who cares about God constitutionally literate or illiterate u ask 4 it.

Lianne
Lianne

He is not constitutionally illiterate!!! Trump is very aware of world events, issues & has been correct. About what has happened!! I am pretty sure your contempt is clouding your judgement. Try getting rid of that critical part of your thinking & u might actually see what God wants you to. Pray! Pray Pray for these 2 men to take our country back to The People!! The middle class is melting!! I am part of that! We r suffering! Do u really want a Socialist Communist World Order??? Bc that is what the Soros & Rothschilds want & they are… Read more »

Bob Tuttle
Bob Tuttle

I have been a Christian now for just over two years, so this will be my first Presidential election since becoming a Christian. I like Miss Parshall’s advice of look at their worldview and their record and see if their talk matches their walk. That being said, however, – and this is what troubles me about this election – when she says “look for the candidate that will MOST uphold those standards of righteousness,” that concerns me. It sounds as if she is saying we should, if necessary, vote for the “lesser of two evils” which is what we often… Read more »

khill2662
khill2662

Bob, congratulations on becoming a Christian! I would only like to say, from my heart, that I don’t see this election as a “lesser of two evils” scenario. I see it as the ongoing battle of good versus evil. Not that people (including Presidential candidates) are good. No one is good—but God alone. I see Satan (evil) at war with both God (good) and mankind (lesser).

Nuri Schoch

I know that the lesser of the two evil is still evil, but I will not vote for Hilliary so I guess I will vote for the alternative. If Hilliary wins I will get literally sick! Knowing that God has all things under control gives me peace to know that I can trust on His promises.

Sabra
Sabra

Bob: I share your sentiment and you said it quite well. Keep the faith and the discernment the Lord has given you. I believe it is not up to us what the outcome will be in this election. It is in God’s ultimate control. He looks at the matters of the heart and eternity, not this temporal home.

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